I got into a political discussion at lunch about the war...
It turned ugly, because rather than discuss things, my opponent co-worker kept on dragging vague references to political conflicts back to the Vietnam War, stated it's all about the oil and that because the CIA put Saddam in charge this is all the Americans fault(!?)
Me: "OK, same situation going on, some dictator violating restrictions, developing chemical/biological etc. refusing to comply yada yada yada. What do you do?"
Him: "Work through the U.N., sanctions, inspections. Multilateral stuff."
Me: "12 years and that hasn't worked."
Him: "Who says?"
Me: "There's still restricted weapons in Iraq. SCUDs and that stupid drone that they said was a 'crop duster.' The factory that they're looking at...if it's what they think it is, I mean, come on!"
Him: "If they were illegal, wouldn't Hans Blix have said so? That proves nothing. They didn't attack anyone. The U.S. illegally invaded."
Me: "Because he's got restricted weapons!"
Him: "Like what?"
Me: "Like the SCUD they shot into Kuwait."
Him: "Why'd they fire the missile?" Leaning in.
Me: "Well, in response to the U.S. attack, of course"
Him: "EXACTLY!" He's smiling like he's won.
Me: "But he's not supposed to have SCUDs in the first place!"
Him: "Who says?"
Me: "It's part of the agreement that ended the first Gulf War"
Him: "I don't think Iraq agreed to anything. The U.S. forced them."
Me: "By winning the first God-damned war!"
Him: "You should calm down. You're not making a point, just rambling on and on."
DEEP BREATH...
Me: "So the only decent proof is if they shoot first?"
Him: "The Americans put him in there."
Me: "Wrong, they made the mistake of supporting him against Iran when it looked like they'd over-run the region when Saddam started losing a war he started."
Him: "So, the Americans are at fault!" TRIUMPHANTLY he says this...
Me: "Things were politically different then. Stupid deals had to be made because of the Soviet's.
Him: "I was wondering when you'd trot them out as bogeyman..."
Me: "Again, you'll only accept Saddam attacking someone else first as proof"
Him: "He didn't attack anyone. The U.S. went in without United Nations approval...
Me: "They'd never get France's approval. I'd hardly call that UN approval OR condemnation."
Him: "You're all over the place. Try making a point."
GETTING FRUSTRATED...
Me: "I'm trying; you're not listening. You say the only way the U.S. is justified in invading and destroying any weapons of mass destruction is if Iraq uses weapons of mass destruction first, which means that Iraq gets the opportunity to develop, field and then use something that can kill tens of thousands and then, and only then, can we do something about it?"
Him: "You're naive. It's all about the oil and the money. If they really cared about oppressed people then what about Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and all the other tin-pot dictatorships the U.S. has supported."
Me: "They should be next."
Him: "I can't believe how bloodthirsty you are."
Me: "There are two opinions on this as I see it. If you have the power to act to save lives and spread prosperity for the long run by interceding on others behalf, then you do it, because if you don't, you bear some responsibility when things go bad due to you doing nothing. A superpower should act like one and be judged by its actions and results. Others believe that the U.S. should just mind its own business when they don't realize that what goes on anywhere in the world IS the American's business."
Him: "So the U.S. doesn't have to abide by the same rules that every other nation does?"
Me: "I didn't say that. But the rules need to take into account the fact that the U.S. is the world's only superpower."
Him: "But nobody wants them in Iraq.
Me: "I think opinion is split on that."
Him: "No, an incredible majority want the U.S. out."
Me: "Where'd you pull that number from? That's right, thin air. Polls say Americans support the war by 70%."
Him: "Who cares what AMERICANS think? Besides, polls are as reliable as a Hyundai Pony."
Me: "Then how'd you come up with that "incredible majority" comment?
Him: "Just open your eyes. I am proud of our Prime Minister and what he's done."
Me: "Turned our backs on our closest friends...Screwed us into second-class status on the North American continent...Made us look untrustworthy in the eyes of our closest ally?
Him: "Shown Canadians that we are our own country, that we aren't lapdogs that jump and beg at our Master's call...'Sit Canada, lie down, roll over: Good Canadian pet...'"
SILENT STARING...
Him: Looking at his watch- "Well we're not going to solve this today."
Me: "Like anyone gives a shit about what we say anyway..."
Him: "War is never the answer."
Me: "There's no point in discussing this any further because your mind and mine were made up before we started talking..."
Him: "But I made my point, war is never the answer."
Me: "Sometimes it is. It certainly was in 1945."
Him: "To think that nobody remembers the lessons learned in Vietnam."
Me: "What, not to run a war from remote control by politicians in Washington? I think they learned that, judging by the results so far. The 60's are over, MAN."
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I've changed the Canadian flag I've been flying to a combo Canadian/US to show my support for our neighbours to the south.
Apologizing for our government would serve no purpose. All I have to say to our American friends is that you only deal with them from time to time. We've had to LIVE with them for 10 stinking years with no end in sight (our TWO right of centre parties spend more time squabbling with each other than developing a cohesive attack, so the Liberals will be in power for the foreseeable future.)
Know that there are many Canadians who do support you.
ABC'S AIRING OF OSCARS PLUNGES TO 25.4 RATING/37 SHARE, ACCORDING TO OVERNIGHTS, DOWN FROM LAST YEAR'S RECORD-LOW SCORE OF 29.1/47. UNBELIEVABLY, LAST MONTH'S 'JOE MILLIONAIRE' REACHED HIGHER SHARES IN SOME MARKETS, DEMOS THAN OSCARS. FINAL RATINGS AVAILABLE LATER. CONTROVERSIAL AIRING OF SHOW AT HEIGHT OF WAR EXPERIENCED NIELSEN STRESS ON NEARLY EVERY LEVEL. 'IT WAS A DIFFICULT SITUATION... WE ARE GLAD IT IS BEHIND US,' SAID TOP NETWORK SOURCE... MORE...
I'm finding it hard to care. The Oscars are always about celebrities celebrating their own bloated self-importance. Haven't we been subjected to them enough these last few months in the run up to the war?
I mean the only remotely interesting thing about last night's Oscars was Michael Moore:
not because I agree with him, but because he delivered on what I expected him to do- use the ultimate PR opportunity to push and shove and slander and rant, which was a 30 second version of all of his movies and TV shows. Entertaining stuff as opposed to the rest of the drivel last night.
I like it when people are true to themselves, even opportunists such as Moore, who will probably NEVER win an Oscar ever again. It's in his nature: I would've been disappointed if he hadn't used the audience to denounce President Bush. I'm surprised they didn't cut his microphone and go to commercial.
What I found troubling was the "love-in" that the actors and film-makers were having with child-raping scum Roman Polanski.
It seems that many believe that art trumps criminal behaviour, because many in attendance believed that it was a real shame that Polanski couldn't attend to collect his reward. Again it seems that because someone creates great cinematic art (subjective: I haven't seen The Pianist so I don't know if it's "art") we should ignore the fact that he's a child-raping piece of crap that should still do jail time.
When I first heard he was guilty of statutory rape I thought there might have been more to the story, like he got caught by the age limit like Renton in Trainspotting but no; he was (and probably still is) a predator that hunted a poor naive girl. For a full reminder of what this bastard did click here.
The real shame is those trained seals that call themselves "artists" couldn't take a stand and boo this loser. I guess being "anti-child-raping scum" isn't as popular in Hollywood as being "anti-war."
Relatives of Canadian soldiers killed by a U.S. bomb in Afghanistan were bitterly disappointed at the recommendation yesterday that two American pilots not be court-martialled in the incident.
Let's face it, the only reason that this "special military hearing" took place seeking charges originally was to keep the Canadian allies happy. How many "friendly fire" incidents have happened over the years? How many involved court-martial charges? Exactly. The Americans have killed dozens more of their own in incidents over the years and has any serviceman been subjected to this kind of process?
Since our loveable Prime Minister idiot, the scrappy little boy from Shawinigan has seen fit to declare all of Canada anti-Bush anti-war (funny, he didn't ASK anyone did he?) I've had the sinking feeling that Canada has bitten the hand that feeds. Funny little things in the news, like 2-hour border waits, Americans not selling to Canadians on eBay have me thinking that there is a reckoning to come that many of us are not going to like.
Maybe I'm reading more into this than there is- But it's not like there's any sort of pressure to keep seeking a court-martial to keep us happy.
Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister. You have your legacy now. Publicly crap all over a nation that takes 84.6% of our exports (2000 figures)
Eventually the elephant sees the mouse and decides to stomp it.
The ability of the US to project power ANYWHERE on the globe is indeed awe-inspiring.
You have to wonder how selfish Saddam Hussein will be and if he will try to take the whole country down with him, if he's still alive...
If that first salvo did in fact kill him, the handlers who are keeping the illusion that he is still alive bear a large responsibility for the damage being done.
Then again who knows what's true anymore.
The fog of war now manifests itself in bits and bytes:
EDITOR'S NOTE: CNN's policy is to not report information that puts operational security at risk.
This is as it should be: passive omission is tolerable in this respect, and we should accept this as long as the media does not become actively involved in deceiving the public.
Utah prosecutors delayed kidnapping charges Monday against self-proclaimed prophet Brian Mitchell and his wife in the abduction of Elizabeth Smart. Mitchell's father said any punishment should be tempered by the girl's survival.
``There's a lot of people that kidnap little kids and murder them,'' said Shirl Mitchell, 83. ``He took care of the girl and she came back in good health.''
In other words, because she's not dead we should all just shut up, get down on our hands and knees and thank him for not killing her after he kidnapped and raped her. That's his definition of "took care of."
Someone should start investigating the father as well...Numbnuts had to learn his courting techniques from someone, didn't he?
``His childhood could be summarized by the idea of isolation, loneliness and lack of attention. He's kind of a nonentity, it seems like. There's really a blank in my mind when I think back to his youth,'' Shirl Mitchell said. ``It seems like I can tell all the negative things about Brian but very few positives. Maybe I'm a lousy father.''
- Bingo, Fruitcake!
I commented earlier about this story here. I retract those comments/implications. No matter how creepy I find her father or religions in general, I have nothing but sympathy for this girl. Many deal with challenges in their own way. People who seem OK outwardly can hide deep cracks and fissures which will splinter and crack along the way to recovery.
The fact that we, and by we I mean all of the supposed armchair experts who expected some "hook" to this story, are so ready to jump on every small nuance and can't deal with a happy ending shows what we have become. Personally I'll take the easy route and just blame TV [kidding, but the truth will be a whole new article and others have done it better elsewhere.]
She will need counselling to deal with everything that has happened to her and hopefully she gets it. For many, religion can provide the strength and support to deal with almost any trauma. And if it can't, hopefully her parents are wise enough to do what is necessary to help her...
I find that since I discovered the Blogosphere I have become addicted. Since I got going with writing Raging Kraut I find that I can't go one day without thinking about my blog. Because of a two-day seminar, I was cut off from the net and it felt like my arm had been hacked off at the elbow...I NEED to be connected. I need to know what is happening out there...
I find my opinions being swayed one way, then another because of other blogs out there. The people who maintain these journals write with such passion and talent that their pages are alive. No, sorry, I should restate that: Their pages are
ALIVE!
I hope to write better. I hope to sound better. I hope to have half the talent I see exhibited on their pages...
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