Anybody wanna give this fucktard a lesson in basic biology? It's the MAN that determines the sex of the baby by supplying either an X or a Y chromosome. So he's the one shooting 'X's...
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- An Egyptian woman married to a man with six daughters from previous marriages drowned herself Saturday just hours after giving birth to a girl because she feared her husband's reaction to fathering another daughter.
The 27-year-old woman left her home in Saff, a rural town about 25 miles [40 kilometers] south of the Egyptian capital, Cairo, and drowned herself in an irrigation canal three hours after giving birth to her second daughter, police officials told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Before his wife gave birth, her husband had threatened to kill or divorce her if the couple had any more daughters, police said.
Society in rural Egypt is largely conservative, and many parents often prefer having sons to daughters for cultural and economical reasons.
Divorce is also considered a taboo in such areas. Many women would rather their husband take a second wife than be divorced.
The husband, 38, had been married three times before. In each case, he divorced his wives after they gave birth to girls.
But we can't make fun of disadvantaged idiots in different cultures because the nation-states involved don't want to educate their citizens, can we? If they were educated they might realize what unenlightened assholes live beside them and rule them...
I'll take back any comment about the Middle East if I read that this asshole gets charged with threatening to murder his wife and/or any assault charges. There has to be a reason she was so scared she killed herself, doesn't there?
I feel like starting a religion where we stone the stupid idiots among us, thus improving the gene pool so crap like this stops happening...
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I hate fancy cushions, knick-knacks, doilies, faux-whatever and I hate anything Martha Stewart. I hate people who collect spoons. I hate things that have absolutely no function, yet these things clog up people's kitchens because people are going for a certain "look."
I have steadfastly chosen to ignore her TV shows, magazines, home reno books etc. It's easy. That's what remote controls are for. But when friends of mine spend $800 (apiece!) on chairs for the living room that:
a. no one's allowed to sit on.
b. decorate a room that no one uses
I have to restrain myself from laughing uncontrollably...
Considering no one really reads this blog I thought I'd purloin the comments from the Toronto Star on the DNA collection process that the Toronto Police Department is conducting. I find it disturbing that so many people are willing to throw away their rights and freedoms just so they think they can be a little "safer".
As usual (compare the Bernardo case), the police have no ideas except the wrong ones. By forcing people to give DNA samples, they make those who resist appear to incriminate themselves, while any real criminal would be long gone from the area in question.
[Name Removed], Toronto, May 22
I agree with this guy. The Toronto Police have no clue who the real killer(s) is/are so they're appealing to this so-called "process" in the hopes that a blind shot might pull their asses out of the fire.
They are desperate. They have been desperate every since that "one phone call away" speech about how close they were to breaking the case. By definition "any" case, no matter how cold the trail, could be broken open with the right phone call being made. To hint that an arrest was close was a misjudgement that will haunt them politically later.
The most innocent and vulnerable members of our society must be protected. This common good must override the individual rights issue raised by the mass DNA screening, provided the data collected is subsequently destroyed.
[Name Removed], Thornhill, May 22
The common good does not flow from everyone being pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. DNA screening will not find the monster that did this unless he is stupid enough to actually volunteer for the screening. And national databases are hungry for information...A good database is like gold. You don't throw away gold. Besides, it might help them in "other" unsolved investigations in the area.
If this will help in the finding of the monster who did this to Holly, then guys, suck it up. What's the big deal?
[Name Removed], Victoria Harbour, May 22
Sure, Melanie. It's because us guys are all "wimps" that we don't want our personal details fed into some giant database that may be used against us at some future time. I object to an intrusion of the state into my personal details because ooooooooooh! I'm not "macho" enough.
I think DNA samples should be taken from all people entering this country who wish to stay. Also, when a child is born, they fingerprint and footprint them, they should also take DNA prints too. The rest of us, well the next time you have your yearly check-up, provide a sample for DNA recording.
[Name Removed], Tottenham, May 22
...and of course, if genetic undesireables try to enter the country we can have them sterilized or trucked off in vans and trains to be "relocated east." Seig heil you nazi freak!
Why not take DNA samples from the entire national population? Let me guess, innocent males have nothing to fear. A police force that was supposedly only a "phone call away" from catching this killer now seems to be scrambling. Doesn't leave one with much confidence.
[Name Removed], Toronto, May 22
They were scrambling from the start. The police can only do so much and always after the fact. If the tracks have been covered it will be difficult to do much of anything now unless some luck comes the cops way. Victims' families don't like hearing the word "luck" being used when it comes to catching the twisted fucks that do these things.
I would be first in line. If it would cast suspicion away from me as a male living in the area and if it would help narrow down the search and/or flush out suspicious people, I'd gladly do my part.
[Name Removed], Mississauga, May 22
You sound guilty.
Maybe the state should check your financial records.
And your health records.
And your sexual history.
Put you under surveillance.
Lean on your friends and employers to "come clean" about you...
Or else we'll check their financial records.
And their health records...
We should all want to give our DNA. Every person. It would sure make people think twice before committing a crime.
[Name Removed], Toronto, May 22
Sure I want to give out my DNA...It's called sex and it's very enjoyable. Giving the police access to my DNA when they HAVE NO OTHER EVIDENCE. No thank you.
I personally don't understand why someone would not provide their DNA especially in a case as devastating as this one.
[Name Removed], Concord, May 22
There is such a thing as right to privacy. It's not something that should be thrown away with such a cavalier disregard. If the police said that the suspect was a white guy of heavy build in his thirties with red hair who lived in my neighbourhood, then I'd say they had a reason to suspect me and that DNA testing should be mandatory (yes: I said mandatory. I have no bleeding heart if probable cause has been demonstrated.)
But if they said "oh we suspect half the fucking population of the neighbourhood. Let's DNA test them all to see what happens..." I'd have two words for the cops at my door: "Good" and "Bye"
Those who refuse to give DNA samples are only running away from the truth and should be considered a suspect.
[Name Removed], Maple, May 22
You'd be an asset to any police state/fascist dictatorship you'd like to relocate to. I'm sure you could clean up informing on your neighbours.
All I have to say to the people who are refusing to give DNA sample is if it were your mother, daughter, niece, sister, friend, you would want the public to assist in any way possible.
[Name Removed], Etobicoke, May 22
That's a nice appeal to emotion, but it doesn't make logical sense. This exercise is not about doing your civic duty to help catch a heinous killer. We are all morally-bound to help the police in whatever way we can within the bounds of the law. That means being a witness, or helping with evidence when we find it, or reporting suspicious people when we see them.
It does not mean sacrificing our rights to the creation of a database that will not help in this case. It's really easy to trample on individual rights when confronted by the horror of this crime.
Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserves neither.
-- Thomas Jefferson (unconfirmed)
It's disturbing how many of us are eager to make that questionable trade.
It's sad and tragic what happened to little Holly Jones, but I find myself a little uneasy about a "general DNA sampling."
Police are canvassing the neighbourhood where Holly Jones vanished last week, asking all male residents and workers over the age of 16 to volunteer a DNA sample.
So if I'm male, and I live in the area, and I'm over 16 I'm a suspect?
'We cannot leave anything to chance. We have to do every piece of police work that's necessary.'
-- Sergeant Jim Muscat
In other words, they have no leads and are resorting to creating a database of DNA samples without narrowing the focus of who they suspect of committing the crime. Do they have evidence that the killer lived in the area? There are about 8 million people in the Greater Toronto Area that are highly mobile. Anybody with a car can get there easily. Why 16? Why not over 21? Or over 10? Let's remember the little freaks who killed Jamie Bolger in England...
"There's only been a handful of people that have refused. This is all voluntary," Muscat told reporters outside the police command post set up at Church of the First Born.
...voluntary with the prejudice of the following...
"If people are willing to voluntarily give their DNA, then we will take a sample," he said. "If they refuse, then we will document that." [emphasis mine]
...and the neighbours will be eyeing you funny until they catch (hopefully kill) the vermin that killed poor Holly Jones.
Don't get me wrong: I'm no bleeding heart when it comes to the so-called "rights" of pedophiles and sex offenders. They should have no choice when DNA samples are demanded of them. And I've also been fingerprinted twice as a condition of employment. But that's because I was in a specific situation that required I be identifiable.
In this case the general public (males over 16 is pretty damn general in my opinion) in a specific geographic area will be documented if they don't submit DNA samples?
WTF?!
What happens to this DNA database when the killer is found? Is it destroyed? Or is it used to go on a fishing expedition through other unsolved crimes? Could someone be prosecuted on a totally unrelated charge (say breaking and entering) and the DNA sample supplied for the Jones investigation trotted out by the prosecutor as "exhibit A?"
Or what happens if the killer is NEVER found? Will this database ALWAYS be there? And what of the men who don't submit? What if they face investigation for something later:
Good Cop (generic NYPD Blue pretty-boy): Listen, be reasonable. We just want to know the truth...
Bad Cop (Sipowicz): You little fuck! We know you're up to no good. What about the time you didn't give a DNA sample for the Jones case? Only someone guilty would refuse to give evidence!
If I lived in the area and refused to give the sample out of principal, what kind of grief am I buying myself in the long run? How long would my neighbours stare at me with suspicion?
The judgement of a society is to observe how that society deals with an unthinkable test: this unthinkable crime is surely testing our society...
You know, it'd make it real easy for the cops to do their job if every baby born now was DNA-sampled at birth, and then their details fed into a giant database. That way, within a generation the police wouldn't have to deal with those silly things like "probable cause" or "individual rights."
Of course many will read that last paragraph without the sarcasm that it was written with. And that's where we get tempted to throw away the individual rights fought for with the blood of centuries so that we can sleep a little safer in our beds...
Loyal Kraut Commentor-extraordinaire Greg said in one of his psychic moments that:
The one point that all of you have forgotten is that because Pvt Lynch happens to be attractive, and because the US Media has made such a big deal about her rescue. Pvt Lynch is going to make a huge whack o' dough selling her story to Hollywood. Just think a year from now "Saving Private Lynch" will win Mary-Kate or Ashley Olsen their first of many Oscars in the heroic story of how Pvt Lynch took on Saddam Hussein mano-a-mano, and only was injured when he used chemical warfare to temporarily disable her. Luckily the US Special Forces team led by Leo DiCaprio, who also was her high-school sweetheart, rescue her just as Osama Bin Laden is about to take her virginity.
Posted by Greg at April 6, 2003 03:10 PM
Well today, CNN reports that they will make a TV movie "with or without her family selling her story". Nice way to screw a hero. TV is already crappy enough as it is: how many crappy movies of the week will we have coming out of this war. Well at least it will give all of those unemployed Saddam-decoys something to do...And they won't even have the decency to PAY HER for her own story!
Greg: Considering you've already got a story outline (and you can use Raging Kraut's archive as proof!) I think you should get a manuscript to NBC as quickly as possible before the other weasels get their payday.
I would've thought that Hollywood would've been ALL OVER THIS! They might even produce something watchable...They would at least be able to afford DiCaprio...
Do I smell a left-wing conspiracy to bury the war stories because they don't want to be on-side with the current government?
Could they actually be putting their principles AHEAD of profit?
Has hell truly frozen over?
Has my insanity finally taken over?
Raging Kraut
The Sky In My World is Whatever the Hell Colour it Actually is That Day
My belief has always been that people will change interpret the facts to suit their beliefs, rather than have the facts challenge their belief structure.
- That's why the piece of filth that comes home and beats his wife and kids thinks of himself as a "good guy" because he earns a paycheque.
- That's why people who steal things from work can sleep at night, because they can't consider their company as a victim.
- That's why if you were against this war before it started, you're probably still against it despite the scenes of happy Iraqis, drunk with the heady brew of liberation.
Iraqis deface a mural in Khaaneqin, the first major northern city to fall to coalition forces
- That's why if you were for this war before it started, you would still be for it after this:
Ali Ismaeel Abbas, 12 was left badly burned and missing both arms after a coalition missile attack
"When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do?"
We will always be confronted with things that won't fit into our worldview - I started as a staunch conservative early in life, mostly in following my parents, who had seen war in Europe and had come to Canada to build a better life afterward. For them, World War II was a just war, even though my grandfather was lost fighting for the Wehrmacht as a Private in 1942. Did my grandfather think that he was an evil man because he fought for Germany and Hitler? Probably not, though I never got to talk to him about it.
University life exposed me to the other side and sparked a more critical thought process. I didn't see so much black and white, good and evil as I did shades of gray and nationalist motives. I began to question; I began to play the oh-so-easy Canadian pastime of "Bash the Americans." Let's be frank here: it's easy to do because it's always easy to bash the leaders in any field - the microscope is ALWAYS on them and any misstep is recorded for posterity to be trotted out on display later at Starbucks over expensive venti lattes.
What brought me back to the other side away from my "enlightenment?" Simple pragmatism. The fact that I started to believe in a world where there were no absolutes, that supposedly no one was inherently good or evil, that God may or may not [heresy!] exist and that maybe there was no such thing as "my destined path"...heady stuff from the alcohol-soaked mind of an unemployed 22-year old.
What became important to me were the facts and not the all-emcompassing garbage statement of "It's all the AMERICAN's fault!" Someone's actual actions became more important to me in judging that person than what someone else said about them...It's conceptually impossible for EVERYTHING in the world to be America's fault, so by taking that position and ignoring the other factors involved, the "Peace" protesters are being intellectually LAZY.
For many years it was believed as a fact that any war fought in the 20th century would spiral out of control and result in the extermination of us all because neither of the two Superpowers would back down and escalation was guaranteed. This belief still survives in many of us today in its simplistic form of "War is Bad" and should "never be fought for any reason."
The truth is that the facts have changed in the 21st century. This isn't Star Trek. There isn't some stupid Prime Directive. The Americans are running the only Superpower on the planet. There are many that will hold America responsible in this century for their INACTIONS as much as their ACTIONS. The responsibility of attempting the greatest good for the greatest number of people will produce results such as Ali Ismaeel Abbas - that's almost guaranteed.
The challenge will be to see Abbas as part of the bigger picture: How many Abbas will be prevented because Saddam will no longer be there to torture Iraqis? We may never be able to know - and part of the challenge will be not to lose our humanity when dealing with the choices presented by the numbers: no one can possibly say it was fair to Ali Ismaeel Abbas, but is he enough to condemn this war as an immoral action? Or would the victims of Saddam be enough to condemn the U.S. for immoral INACTION had they not stopped him?
With Power comes Responsibility and Accountability.
So what am I now? If pragmatism were a political belief system I would define myself as a Pragmatist.
When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do?
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The ability of the US to project power ANYWHERE on the globe is indeed awe-inspiring.
You have to wonder how selfish Saddam Hussein will be and if he will try to take the whole country down with him, if he's still alive...
If that first salvo did in fact kill him, the handlers who are keeping the illusion that he is still alive bear a large responsibility for the damage being done.
Then again who knows what's true anymore.
The fog of war now manifests itself in bits and bytes:
EDITOR'S NOTE: CNN's policy is to not report information that puts operational security at risk.
This is as it should be: passive omission is tolerable in this respect, and we should accept this as long as the media does not become actively involved in deceiving the public.
Utah prosecutors delayed kidnapping charges Monday against self-proclaimed prophet Brian Mitchell and his wife in the abduction of Elizabeth Smart. Mitchell's father said any punishment should be tempered by the girl's survival.
``There's a lot of people that kidnap little kids and murder them,'' said Shirl Mitchell, 83. ``He took care of the girl and she came back in good health.''
In other words, because she's not dead we should all just shut up, get down on our hands and knees and thank him for not killing her after he kidnapped and raped her. That's his definition of "took care of."
Someone should start investigating the father as well...Numbnuts had to learn his courting techniques from someone, didn't he?
``His childhood could be summarized by the idea of isolation, loneliness and lack of attention. He's kind of a nonentity, it seems like. There's really a blank in my mind when I think back to his youth,'' Shirl Mitchell said. ``It seems like I can tell all the negative things about Brian but very few positives. Maybe I'm a lousy father.''
- Bingo, Fruitcake!
I commented earlier about this story here. I retract those comments/implications. No matter how creepy I find her father or religions in general, I have nothing but sympathy for this girl. Many deal with challenges in their own way. People who seem OK outwardly can hide deep cracks and fissures which will splinter and crack along the way to recovery.
The fact that we, and by we I mean all of the supposed armchair experts who expected some "hook" to this story, are so ready to jump on every small nuance and can't deal with a happy ending shows what we have become. Personally I'll take the easy route and just blame TV [kidding, but the truth will be a whole new article and others have done it better elsewhere.]
She will need counselling to deal with everything that has happened to her and hopefully she gets it. For many, religion can provide the strength and support to deal with almost any trauma. And if it can't, hopefully her parents are wise enough to do what is necessary to help her...
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'YOU THINK I AM THE GIRL WHO RAN AWAY,' SMART TOLD COP
"You guys think I'm that Elizabeth Smart girl who ran away," Elizabeth Smart challenged police officer Bill O'Neal the moment she was found by authorities.
Smart's startling words have ignited a firestorm around Salt Lake City: Was the teen unknowingly conveying the unthinkable -- she deliberately ran away from home?!
While local and federal authorities work on the likely premise the girl was taken by force and later brainwashed, questions of a possible runaway scenario began to creep into the picture, sources said late Thursday.
One top federal source said the case remains "utterly baffling."
The other weird part is that supposedly she'd been "brainwashed" according to her family and yet this "brainwashing" was supposedly instantly broken and this girl was back with her family, playing the harp and watching "The Trouble with Angels" one SINGLE DAY after being found.
Why am I getting the creepy-crawlies about this whole incident?
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