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Double Standard

Posted by Ray on 11/02/03 at 12:11 PM • News Commentary (0) Trackbacks Permalink


One of the things I hate is the double standard applied to child murderers. When the usually nameless father kills his wife and/or kids and/or self, society has very little sympathy. The guy was a prick, bastard, loser who "couldn't hack it" in real life and great pains are taken to show how big a loser the guy really was.

To be honest, I agree with this approach. Family violence should not be condoned, or "explained" by the situation. The perpetrators should be put under the microscope, judged and punished to the full extent of the law. For someone like a Paul Bernardo the law doesn't go anywhere far enough...

Why the outrage? An article in the National Post.

'I have to do what's best for you'

ST. JOHN'S - Dr. Shirley Turner, who drowned herself and her infant son in the inky black waters of the North Atlantic rather than return to the United States to stand trial for murdering the boy's father, did not want to live without her youngest child, and could not imagine giving him up for adoption, diaries she kept in the months leading up to her death reveal.


Oh, and I thought the first duty of motherhood was to safeguard the wellbeing of her child. Silly me.

Now Dr. Turner lies in a seaside grave, in one of the remote fishing villages on the west coast of Newfoundland where she spent much of her life. Her son's remains were cremated by his paternal grandparents, David and Kathleen Bagby, Americans who have taken up residence in St. John's and vow to remain until they win justice for their murdered son and grandson.


Pretty hard to fight for justice for your murdered son and grandchild when the killer takes her own life, cheating the justice that the Bagby's deserve. It's sad, but the Bagby's will never get justice for this, unless evidence of Dr. Turner rotting in hell can be produced.
Raging Kraut


  1. I hate the way that the news reports seem to turn the guilty into the victims lately. We just had a case here about a month ago, where my neighbor's sister was shot in the face and killed by her ex-husband, who was then killed directly afterwards in a car crash. On the news, her sister's name was never even mentioned, just the ex-husband's. They made him out to be some poor guy who made a mistake, leaving out the part that he was killed while being chased by the police. The coroner (who just happened to by the guy's friend), ruled her murder an accident because the gun had a "hair-trigger". Course, for her to have gotten shot, the man had to be pointing the gun at her - I guess the coroner just convienently "forgot" about that part. Yeah right.

    It just really made me sick the way they turned things around like that.

    Posted by Jaime  on  11/02  at  05:31 PM


  2. They always talk about not speaking ill of the dead, even when they deserve it.

    Posted by Ray  on  11/02  at  07:41 PM


  3. We have an interesting case out here. 21 year old woman dates 28 year old psycho for a few months. She breaks up with him. Psycho storms womans mothers house, rapes downstairs tenants, goes upstairs, grabs the 21 year old, takes off into the BC Interior. Couple of days later with the cops on his tale, psycho chickens out of murder-suicide, is captured, woman is unharmed.
    Trial starts, prosecution attempts to show that psycho is a psycho. Met 21 year old in bar, swept her off her feet with his tales of being a hit man, working for FBI & CSIS etc. Eventually rapes tenant, terrorizes 21 year old for days.
    Defence paints portrait of a abused child, pyschological problems etc. Goes for insanity plea.
    Questions not asked. Why would any woman go out with a guy who describes himself as a hitman? Aren't you asking for trouble? Wasn't this inevitable? Therefore should the 21 year old be partially culpable for the rape of her Mom's tenant?

    Posted by  on  11/02  at  09:25 PM


  4. In your example Greg, I'd say the 21 year old girl was stupid, not culpable. She did not form any intent to commit a crime, she did not participate in his crime spree, aside from being a victim herself. It's not like a civil suit where you can asign 10% blame here and there. She might've thought all his talk was just that: talk.

    But she was stupid. Very very stupid. That's not a crime (even though in some cases it should be.)

    Posted by Ray  on  11/03  at  08:42 AM


  5. I had begun to wonder if anyone else even remembered Susan Smith...I wrote very bitterly about her sometime back and it surprised me that people actually emailed me asking who she was!
    And in my unasked for opinion, not speaking ill of the dead only applies to those persons who didn't commit a crime that should be spoken of. There is a difference between not speaking ill of the dead and facts. Facts are good, outrage over things is good, but just random bitterness isn't good for anyone over anything. Sorry I am not making much sense and am rambling, it's late, I'm tired. G'nite!

    PS enjoyed the birthday family pics! Quite the family you have there!

    Posted by Joy  on  11/06  at  01:51 AM


  6. Thanks, Joy.

    I will remember Susan Smith. And the others too.

    Posted by Ray  on  11/06  at  10:15 AM


  7. This website was really good for provideing me with information i needed for a project that i am doing in school. Keep up the good work! I'm sorry for the loss of two inocent lives. Rest in peace. Thank You!

    Posted by  on  03/01  at  11:31 AM



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